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yeah check one two three baby we are

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back on calling all beings I'm your host

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DJ along with my illustrious colleagues

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who I missed like crazy and I and I it's

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only been a week since I've seen these

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two we're talking about the co-creator

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the co-conspirator the technical

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director the executive producer of The

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Joint Monet Nathan yeah what's what's

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going on man my title gets longer every

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I don't know there's not enough space on

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how many

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and anyway of the love of cab life right

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here the uh the woman who inspires us uh

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fills us with information and keeps us

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going a study of uaps uh also known as

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the host of Deb's data Dojo put some

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hands together for dab hello everybody

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so happy to be here I'm looking forward

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to creative genius

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own girlfriend I know yeah we about to

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bring on a Real Genius right here uh

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thank you for hooking us up with Science

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Bob I got to tell people that Deb is

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making things happen behind the scenes

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she's making moves she's like that

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character from heat that was working in

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the junkyard with all the pit bulls

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[Laughter]

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it's always room for a heat reference

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right uh I know our next guest knows

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that uh he actually is a director of a

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full motion video call to Ariel

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phenomenon this brother's from a

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neighboring state close to me where I

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went to college in Massachusetts he's a

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tall brother he's a good looking brother

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he's got nice hair and guess what he's

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12 days younger than me put your hands

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together

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for Randall Nickerson

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you're 12 years old for me all right man

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thanks for having me on guys I

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appreciate it so respect your elders

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I'm gonna tell you guys real quick you

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know before we get into this um

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so I called this gentleman he was kind

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enough to give me his contact details

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when we're having uh dinner after the uh

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anomalous uh Symposium put on by James

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and Jay in Nueva York City my home uh my

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home state there and uh I did call

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Randall and took him a couple weeks and

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all of a sudden uh I'm getting ready to

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go to sleep but phone rings over in

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England and it is Randall Nickerson and

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it's so exciting you know for I mean any

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any of you in the UFO University get a

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call from this gentleman are going to be

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excited and we had a great conversation

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that covered a whole wide range of

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topics so it's such a pleasure to meet

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you and speak with you Randall same no I

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think it's uh it's appropriate times for

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having these conversations

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really it is there's a lot going on and

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whenever whenever you want to get into

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that as a topic uh we'll we will get

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into it but in the meantime you know the

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thing that we discussed

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uh hi hi Julie Farrell is in the is in

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in the chat right there of jewels of the

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wood from Mel yeah she's saying welcome

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Randall hell yeah uh and she's taking

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care of us in the chat so uh be kind to

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Jewel as well she'll throw you out of

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there just kidding

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um but anyway

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um Randall you know what I wanted to ask

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you and I may have even asked you this

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on the phone to start off with is

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um is there something that happened in

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your life that got that made this come

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to the Forefront of your creative

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I mean you know were they mantis I'm

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it doesn't take much actually to be

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honest with you if you really explore

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nature or explore this world that there

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are still a lot of mysteries and a lot

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of things we don't understand

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um that's including up in the skies

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under the oceans everywhere

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um you know

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part of this whole balloon phenomenon is

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kind of interesting I've been you know

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people don't even know what happens in

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the night sky

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you like normal things you know because

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most of the population lives in light

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polluted areas

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um anyway I'll stop talking

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that's great

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but uh so we're looking for yeah go

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ahead yeah yeah I think part of uh

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I think this is the job of

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you know the the government and the

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military is to help people

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understand what actually happens up in

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the sky that are normal phenomena so we

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can tell so people can actually tell the

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difference between something

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um that shouldn't be there

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and that's I mean I think you've just

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characterized what if you were to take

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almost all of UFO Twitter would you know

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you characterize it for everybody that

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that's what they're feeling is about

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about disclosure that's that's the whole

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thing let me turn you over to the

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capable hands of money Nathan

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thanks DJ yeah Randall uh I just want to

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say a couple things before I ask a

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um one the the the movie is fantastic uh

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and and I just wanted to thank you for

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the many years of time I know that it

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took to get that done uh to get all that

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footage to get the approvals to I mean

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it was a labor of love and that came out

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in every scene of that movie I was moved

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to tears it was incredibly moving

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powerful uh and and I really want to

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thank you for that

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um you know something struck me about

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the testimony of the children and I have

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two kids and and I was talking with them

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took them and dinner the other night and

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my youngest who's 12. which is sort of

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giving me all this information I'm just

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kind of staring at him and he just keeps

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on talking and it just sort of struck me

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you know kids are kind of uh they're

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very much an open book and there's

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something really sacred when a child is

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willing to tell you something and to

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just kind of give you information uh

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they're inviting you into that space and

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how did the the testimony of these

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children from Ariel like impact you and

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your crew as you were kind of putting

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this film together what kind of impact

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this archival footage there's a lot of

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thing that struck me and then when I

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that's when I really kind of

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it set in on a different level with me

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because they were telling the same exact

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story even though a lot of these people

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interviews have never been seen still to

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um and that yet they told exactly the

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early interviews of the children on um

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body language and all that kind of thing

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some really good people look at that and

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uh come back with yeah they're telling

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the truth so

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um there's going to be a paper coming

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out about that from those uh a group of

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truthful statements

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by for by professionals that uh that's

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um so yeah I was struck

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um by many of the individuals and thank

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you for the credit for this film but I

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gotta give it to the witnesses and the

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people that were there for this story

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because if it you know I did the

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research figured out the story did all

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the you know I did a lot of hard work

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uh they took the risk you know and they

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they were there I know a lot of people

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notice it but every part of that film is

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you know there's no second person or

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third person it's all only people that

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either witness to that event or directly

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involved because I couldn't come in as

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an outsider to say yeah this is what

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happened no it's far better than I could

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much material and I could do that that I

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my crew when I got a crew around

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couldn't do it alone I figured that out

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um yeah they they were amazing the crew

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also uh deserves a lot a lot of credit

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absolutely yeah there was uh certainly

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the film but to your point there was not

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a heavy-handed editorialization and I

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footage was you know it's just here it

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is and you the viewer are going to

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interpret this as you will but because

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so much of it was vulnerable you know

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was was very personal I think that

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invites the the viewer to into that into

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that that intimate space right into

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those intimate feelings and it explores

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um you know it touches on this the

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aspect of sort of trauma both on an

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individual and public level and how we

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process that as a culture and you know I

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wonder to what extent if if you can even

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share this is is there trauma still

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permeating that area the the school the

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legacy of that event the in Rua like is

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it still something that is present in

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that community

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uh it's funny because people around

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Africa know about this event and they

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you know speak about it uh still to this

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so I you know there's

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there's trauma from many different for

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many different reasons and not

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necessarily bad reasons just like world

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view shattering is a trauma you're

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looking at worldview shatters and

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you realize there's oh there's another

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piece of this picture that nobody ever

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um that kind of changes history a little

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bit actually it makes you look at

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history a little different but that's a

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that's a trauma in itself I think in

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different people are different levels of

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wherever they're at you know I'm in my

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own process you're in your own process

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we're all in our own

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process with trauma but uh yeah I mean I

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think it was a major event that occurred

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there that affected hundreds of people's

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lives

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because it wasn't just the school you

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know there were other Witnesses in other

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locations that

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what they saw they'll remember for the

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rest of their lives so absolutely just

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the way it is

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yeah that's what I'm thinking about uh

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but I gotta pass it over to Debs because

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she got we gotta let her get at you and

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then and then I'll have my chance well

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my question actually is sort of about

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that traumatic

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response also it's sort of I wanted to

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know having made the film

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and it's because we're always concerned

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about not exploiting experiencers at

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least I am you know did the people

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coming forward feel like it was

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cathartic and helpful

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um to come out and be able to just let

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people know what happened did they feel

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like there was a positive experience

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with coming out and having the film done

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I think so underneath I I believe that

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you know you know I

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most of them have said that to me you

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know on on the off the Record

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um

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but I think initially when the media

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went over there uh in 1994

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and they got so much uh

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you know they felt I still think like

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the majority of those students feel like

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they were taken advantage of in that

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situation which I can understand because

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they they got all the press and they

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didn't get any help

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uh because nobody knew what to do really

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uh or how to

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um work with these children after the

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fact

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um but at the same time if they didn't

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interview those kids at that time this

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movie this story would never have been

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out so it's kind of a I understand and

329
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it's not easy for anybody to go through

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something like this and

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um I felt that through this and I still

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feel that I feel responsible for

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for these people's not in you know in a

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way as a Storyteller I feel

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like it's no small deal for me to be

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telling their stories

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and um

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you know understanding the what that is

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what's that what that's like to all of a

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sudden have your private life public

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you know especially when it's uh uh

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something that's been kept really

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secretive for the most part I mean in

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this event a lot of people knew about it

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uh the parents were everybody was very

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well informed

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um

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so it's a little bit of different in

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that way but uh

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yeah I think the most horrible thing

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that I've ever seen and you've I'm sure

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you're all have seen this over the years

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is when these people get attacked

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um

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it's just

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uh it's hard enough to have gone through

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something like this

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and then to have uh people uh

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laugh at you or whatever it's uh it just

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adds to the trauma to be honest with you

361
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I thought you're going to say the most

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horrible thing you'd seen was the way I

363
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attacked the fried pickles at the table

364
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when we're at the barbecue restaurant so

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I'm glad that that wasn't among them no

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that wasn't it all right good good it's

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it's not I hope not yeah so you cannot

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see some things you know

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one night I have to say that was a

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really

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camaraderie um I'm gonna go off-road

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here for a second Randall and I'm gonna

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go back to Debs and say Deb

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um if you were as a mental health

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professional if you were going to engage

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with one of these kids and sit down in a

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session uh what would you what would

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maybe be your couple of opening

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questions for them or how would you get

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dialogue going with one of these kids

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that appeared to be traumatized since

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you're in this business

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well the thing that I think is a hundred

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percent most important not just for

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children but for anyone with trauma is

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validation so you're not going to try to

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say are you sure you saw that or you

388
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know are you imagining it you're just

389
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gonna let them tell their experience

390
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um and you know whether or not you

391
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believe needs to be left out of the

392
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situation it doesn't matter

393
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they believe it and they need to process

394
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it but the next step is then to deal

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with the symptoms

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um not so much like the cause of the

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symptoms and that's what treatment

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should entail

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so

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do you want specific questions I don't

401
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know like I think that's it's it's going

402
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to take more than just one or two

403
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questions it's going to be a

404
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conversation I've had people by the way

405
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I've had clients tell me experiences and

406
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I just let them tell me

407
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and then they don't have that secondary

408
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trauma where they're walking away

409
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feeling like an idiot for telling

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someone

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right that yeah I know I've heard of it

412
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in the Bigfoot world I've heard uh wives

413
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that had experience and husbands say I

414
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don't believe you

415
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uh even when they were like at the same

416
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campsite but the husband was off and

417
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then they come back and the wife says oh

418
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my God this happened and they're like I

419
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,040
don't believe you and so

420
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um you guys said here uh Bigfoot

421
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eyewitness radio with Vic condiv he's

422
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very uh he really tries to counsel

423
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people like that because he he feels

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very strongly that you shouldn't tell

425
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somebody they didn't see something or

426
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experience something and if they look

427
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like they're really scared something

428
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:41,880
probably happened you know uh but we're

429
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:43,679
not going Bigfoot yet Randalls don't

430
00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:49,070
um well I think you know you're right on

431
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:51,000
there Deb um

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and I think

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like I did some training I was uh in in

434
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Psychotherapy way before this film

435
00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:04,500
um and you know one of the things is

436
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whatever their story listen to it

437
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because the truth comes out over time it

438
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doesn't matter like over time I mean I

439
00:18:16,690 --> 00:18:13,620
had the advantage of uh doing this film

440
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of knowing certain things

441
00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:20,100
right before I even met anybody like I

442
00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:22,260
was connecting dots figuring out who who

443
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,940
was who who was their friend who was

444
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their family

445
00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:27,539
you know I I had to do that it's funny I

446
00:18:33,409 --> 00:18:29,400
know these kids better than most people

447
00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:33,419
you know wow it's it's but you know so

448
00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:35,220
when I got to the interview place thank

449
00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:36,780
you Deb because that's you're right on

450
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with uh everything you said uh

451
00:18:46,669 --> 00:18:44,760
yeah she's a pro man she's a pro yeah

452
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that's what I expect you for doing that

453
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:49,440
kind of work I uh thank you if I wasn't

454
00:19:01,010 --> 00:19:00,169
some years

455
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foreign

456
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no I I would like to that Deb I'd

457
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:05,760
actually appreciate uh anyway I can be

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of help

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um particularly to these types of

460
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,160
individuals because it's a hard row and

461
00:19:15,169 --> 00:19:12,720
not you know everybody's different

462
00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:15,179
people process it differently their

463
00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:17,340
families you know how does their family

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their relationships it's it's a complex

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thing we don't we're just really

466
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beginning to understand and take

467
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seriously

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um

469
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so I'm I'd be interested in helping that

470
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you got to meet Professor Mack right you

471
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filmed him right what what is this uh I

472
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was kind of like interested in what his

473
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take what were uh private conversations

474
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that you had about his

475
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what he took away from the kids because

476
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when he's speaking with him there he

477
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can't show a certain amount of emotion

478
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right when he's interviewing them he has

479
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to be very clinical in the way that he

480
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speaks with them so you're not tainting

481
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,100
the jury you know you're getting their

482
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story but so is there anything that

483
00:20:09,049 --> 00:20:06,900
you'd like to share uh relative to your

484
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discussions with John Mack

485
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about his interactions with these kids

486
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I think shock

487
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I think there's some moments that

488
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they're not there actually I think

489
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there's one in the film

490
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um

491
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because he had been researching this

492
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before he even got to Ariel

493
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uh and he

494
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his what really brought him to this was

495
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this this doesn't have a clinical

496
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explanation

497
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and the man had done dreams nightmares

498
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addiction I mean he's written books on

499
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this stuff papers and papers the guy was

500
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a genius to be honest

501
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um and he in all his work and time of 50

502
00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:52,080
years in the field had never seen

503
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:54,179
anything quite like this when he was

504
00:20:59,330 --> 00:20:55,500
introduced to it

505
00:21:03,409 --> 00:20:59,340
and it didn't behave like uh

506
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:03,419
uh psych psychopathy or uh what do you

507
00:21:08,029 --> 00:21:05,820
call it um

508
00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:08,039
skit you know all the hysteria or

509
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:10,740
something everything in the DSM

510
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four or five at the time dsm-4 I believe

511
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um

512
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so yeah I think uh he had just started

513
00:21:23,770 --> 00:21:21,360
to travel around the world to get other

514
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stories outside of the United States

515
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uh so I it was just I think confirmatory

516
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to him

517
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,320
that this is not just a this is a

518
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:33,840
widespread phenomenon and it's it is

519
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world global on in every single country

520
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:46,070
yeah he was I gotta say he's one of the

521
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,940
few people I've met where I'm like wow

522
00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:49,679
this guy's

523
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he's way outside my boundaries as far as

524
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um

525
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:57,360
his uh scope of intelligence and

526
00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:00,720
knowledge you know I'm not not trying to

527
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:03,000
you know what do you call it so it's

528
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,919
just as an acknowledgment as another

529
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:06,960
human being I recognize in him a level

530
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:11,640
of Genius that was like wow that guy's

531
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:13,980
he's thinking on another plane

532
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:15,960
Randall is somebody who's never met him

533
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:19,260
when I watched the film and I saw him I

534
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:21,480
found him to be extremely approachable

535
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,080
the the look on his face the way that he

536
00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:27,360
his attention I was like that's a guy

537
00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:29,340
that I would talk to and open up to so I

538
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,799
could see how he would resonate with the

539
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:34,320
kids that are of these very very diverse

540
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:35,820
backgrounds

541
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um I think they felt comfortable talking

542
00:22:40,909 --> 00:22:38,820
to him at that because that's what I

543
00:22:43,010 --> 00:22:40,919
felt Nathan did you feel that way when

544
00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:43,020
you were looking at Professor Mack

545
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:44,760
I mean absolutely that's one of the

546
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,760
things that I uh felt almost kind of a

547
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:49,679
sadness in the film because you're

548
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:51,539
watching John Mack

549
00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:54,600
at his best and you know that he's no

550
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:56,340
longer with us and you feel this

551
00:23:01,390 --> 00:22:58,919
tremendous sense of loss that we have

552
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:01,400
lost this incredible intellect in person

553
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:04,860
uh you know he had this capability to

554
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:08,820
create space with a person that was uh

555
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,120
sacred and powerful and meaningful

556
00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:14,400
um something that I think

557
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,220
the film really

558
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:18,840
encapsulates and it hits me very hard

559
00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:21,539
because you don't see it very often is

560
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:22,520
that

561
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,720
you know we're really accustomed to uh

562
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:38,640
what is in it for me and in this

563
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,880
exchange how do I come out on top uh you

564
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:44,640
know that was not happening at all in

565
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:47,159
the film and and you and as a result you

566
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:50,039
can see the healing that is happening

567
00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:52,679
in that in that Community through those

568
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:56,039
kinds of open honest exchanges

569
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:59,159
yeah and he he was you know he spent 20

570
00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:01,740
years working with children so he

571
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:04,380
he was he knew how to create that

572
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:05,580
environment

573
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:06,299
um

574
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,460
kids are totally different than dealing

575
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:11,039
with adults uh

576
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,760
and I I'm no expert by any means with

577
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,760
that it's just uh I do respect that he

578
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,220
came onto that scene with an awful lot

579
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,860
of uh education and clinical experience

580
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,440
to to be able to do that

581
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:27,360
um it's even funny some because he was

582
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,120
working in on this uh topic he um

583
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,520
there's some times where he has a well

584
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:36,960
he'll have a leading question and

585
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:39,960
sometimes he'll use he would use the

586
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,200
leading question to to try to throw

587
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,140
somebody off that's part of

588
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:48,840
that's how he would do it how other Bud

589
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:51,419
Hopkins would do the same thing uh just

590
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,640
to validate that it was the truth

591
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:56,100
so and you see that in the interviews

592
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:57,780
he'll throw something out there like

593
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,360
buzzing sound and the kid's like no

594
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:02,159
there was like a flute

595
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:03,059
um

596
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,860
like

597
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,960
it's actually pretty brilliant because

598
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:08,000
uh

599
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,520
guess you could say of each of these

600
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:15,960
individuals and that's the other

601
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,880
stunning thing that I noticed in the

602
00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:19,380
archivalist they're not looking at each

603
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:20,820
other to

604
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:23,340
make sure we're on the same story on the

605
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:27,900
same page you know that doesn't happen

606
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,320
um that's so every every individual had

607
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:33,419
their own perspective

608
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:35,580
and they're all different places on the

609
00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:37,620
playground and

610
00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:38,580
um

611
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:41,100
just a very interesting it's a I hate to

612
00:25:44,769 --> 00:25:43,860
say this but you look at it like a crime

613
00:25:48,049 --> 00:25:44,779
scene

614
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,059
and that's kind of like I was I'm coming

615
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:51,179
from being a filmmaker and going into uh

616
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:53,640
investigative journalism that's really

617
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:55,140
what happened

618
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:58,260
and it took my uh my Editor to snap me

619
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:59,640
out of it he's like dude you're not

620
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,320
thinking creatively anymore you're

621
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,960
you're you've gone too far down the

622
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,940
investigative journalists all because

623
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,500
you just want to just want more

624
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:09,120
information and you want to put the

625
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:12,179
puzzle pieces together even more even

626
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,039
though I'd already done it

627
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:16,559
um I was still I'm still not done I I'll

628
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,120
still get new information and I'm like

629
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:21,840
ah I know where that goes you know you

630
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,820
plug in these little pieces of like how

631
00:26:27,649 --> 00:26:25,919
does this fit or doesn't it fit it may

632
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:27,659
not fit it may not

633
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:28,980
it may steer you in a different

634
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:31,380
direction to look at a different thing

635
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:32,400
um

636
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,679
so that was kind of a process of going

637
00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:37,200
back to creative

638
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:43,130
and Nathan did you have something more

639
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:44,940
did you want to pass it on to Debs well

640
00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:48,179
I wanted to ask if you could reflect a

641
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:49,500
little bit about

642
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:50,580
um

643
00:26:57,230 --> 00:26:54,000
the the legacy of this story because we

644
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:57,240
all know in our experiences that uh that

645
00:27:02,269 --> 00:26:59,640
they the way we interpret our experience

646
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:02,279
the the story We Tell ourselves you know

647
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:04,860
it changes over time and it changes

648
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:07,980
significance over time and I get the

649
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,980
sense that this story uh being told now

650
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:13,320
is the right time to tell it even though

651
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,260
it had power and significance before so

652
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:19,020
what do you see as the and the Legacy

653
00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:21,539
going forward for this story for the

654
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,570
that's a good question

655
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:32,340
um I hadn't thought of that

656
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:33,919
um we hired him

657
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,900
good move

658
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,679
um

659
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:40,320
yeah I I think the

660
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:43,020
it's probably the only case I'm aware of

661
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,460
were so much uh video was taken at the

662
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:48,960
time

663
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:53,880
I think

664
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:56,520
they the story touches on pretty much

665
00:28:02,029 --> 00:27:59,580
almost every aspect of this phenomenon

666
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:02,039
from them seeing it in the sky behaving

667
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:04,260
strangely doing weird things and then

668
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:06,179
all of a sudden seeing it come down in

669
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:07,320
these

670
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:09,240
creatures come out

671
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:12,059
um pretty stunning uh but all the

672
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,559
phenomena that they talk about a lot of

673
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:15,120
it is not in the film

674
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,980
and the reason why is because probably

675
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,200
most people would not understand what it

676
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:21,720
meant because they're like subtle

677
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:25,080
details that uh really astounding do

678
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:27,000
tell

679
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,460
uh the way they moved certain

680
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:31,620
descriptions about their bodies Parts

681
00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:34,620
neck

682
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:36,539
um

683
00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:39,659
yeah it's uh

684
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:41,940
there's so much more than what was in

685
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,580
this film we started out with a rough

686
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,380
cut that was over three hours and it was

687
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:48,779
good and we're like you know everybody's

688
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,400
telling us now you got to get it down to

689
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:52,380
close to an hour and a half or

690
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:54,600
it's not going to happen so

691
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:55,140
um

692
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,659
I really would love to get the rest of

693
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,480
this uh story out at some point for sure

694
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:02,220
I'm not quite sure how to do that

695
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:03,539
because I'm still

696
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:07,860
paying for this one in a big way but

697
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,039
um yeah really because it's it I do feel

698
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,620
the legacy of the story is that there's

699
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:15,240
so much to it

700
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:15,960
um

701
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:18,179
that there's so much data

702
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,140
um

703
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:21,539
and not just from the kids you know

704
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:25,200
that's the other hidden story really at

705
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:27,659
this point is what else was going on who

706
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:29,640
else had this on their radar

707
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,419
all that stuff that's I mean at the end

708
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:35,760
of the day really that's kind of what

709
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:40,380
like solidified it for me was like okay

710
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,899
yeah I mean people that didn't even know

711
00:29:50,110 --> 00:29:44,880
these children people that didn't even

712
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,710
go ahead

713
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:53,340
I was going to say did any of the kids

714
00:29:57,889 --> 00:29:55,860
report that these beings had combination

715
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,899
skin like I'm Afflicted with you know

716
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,360
the the dry and then the oil I'm just

717
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,679
kidding

718
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:04,320
um so um no let me pass it to Debs and

719
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:05,700
then I've got another question for you

720
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:08,220
go ahead Debs right so first of all I

721
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:09,899
think we would all love if you did a

722
00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:11,940
sequel with the extra footage even if

723
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,760
you just called it extra footage we

724
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:16,919
would all watch that just so you know

725
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:18,779
like we would be all about that and if

726
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:20,580
you put it on YouTube and that's how you

727
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:22,860
get it out there it would get watched

728
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:24,840
just letting you know but

729
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:27,419
um I wanted to comment I mean we know

730
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:29,940
that there's been a lot of other schools

731
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:33,720
that have had encounters also

732
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,000
um have these

733
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:37,980
experiencers ever spoken with each other

734
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,340
and shared like notes past notes on

735
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,159
their encounters I know Australia for

736
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:46,799
instance had a major incident with lots

737
00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:49,080
of witnesses or have you even

738
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:51,779
um done that yourself just try to

739
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,880
compare notes with the encounters with

740
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:55,440
these other schools

741
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,580
yes

742
00:31:03,470 --> 00:30:58,980
for particular primary schools

743
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:03,480
um I went to Wales in broadhaven and uh

744
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:05,340
talked to went to the school which which

745
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,760
was odd I have to say like on my drive

746
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,039
out to broadhaven I was like God these

747
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:13,440
roads are so similar to the roads in

748
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:16,440
Zimbabwe like wow you know it was very

749
00:31:21,049 --> 00:31:18,899
it's a remote place by the ocean a

750
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,059
little differently a little different

751
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:22,559
um

752
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:25,799
and uh none of the witnesses wanted to

753
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:29,100
speak with me so I had to uh I was

754
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,899
stalking them

755
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:32,700
that's what they said

756
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:36,000
and I did talk to three of them and um

757
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:38,039
they and I interviewed one of the

758
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,779
teachers that was out there and then and

759
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,640
I also collected all their drawings

760
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:43,799
which is in the Historical Society in

761
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:46,380
broadhaven because I wanted to compare

762
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:48,899
those photographs uh broadhaven to me

763
00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:50,100
was

764
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:54,419
pivotal West all in Australia because it

765
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,539
was a different there wasn't the

766
00:32:02,029 --> 00:31:59,460
it was just different

767
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:02,039
um and I I commend Sean for doing a

768
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:03,450
great job on that

769
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:04,020
[Music]

770
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,679
um

771
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:06,720
and I he wanted to talk to me at the

772
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,100
time and I was just like I can't even

773
00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:10,559
talk to anybody I'm so focused on this

774
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:12,120
and

775
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,179
um but uh I did talk to the three

776
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,220
Witnesses in broadhaven and they said

777
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:19,380
look you know what we came out public a

778
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,539
long time ago and it hasn't done us any

779
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:23,640
good you know and they're in their late

780
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,100
40s at this point early 50s

781
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:28,860
and they're like it happens but I have

782
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,620
no there's no upside to uh speaking

783
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,720
about it at this point and I hope they

784
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,000
do at some point because I think those

785
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:38,520
Witnesses have something to say

786
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:40,140
um but I found

787
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,179
like a lot of times

788
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:44,460
I see this over and over and over and I

789
00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:46,500
don't know if you guys have

790
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:48,299
um where people will witness something

791
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:50,340
like this and they won't talk to each

792
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,700
other too much about it yes yes do you

793
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:56,640
know yes they actually don't disturbing

794
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,919
on some level I mean I think that's it

795
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:00,799
uh

796
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:04,440
where and it's and I think it's such a

797
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,020
personal experience you know

798
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,539
I'm not quite sure how to explain that

799
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,000
but I find that

800
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:14,340
uh there's a lot less conversation than

801
00:33:19,210 --> 00:33:16,679
than people would imagine I have a

802
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:19,220
hypothesis about it

803
00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:22,380
my hypothesis is that perhaps it's

804
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:25,340
scarier to have it confirmed

805
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:32,330
yeah yeah

806
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:34,019
and

807
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:38,580
Bigfoot experiencers there have been

808
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:41,700
groups where one person didn't know the

809
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:43,799
other Hunter very well maybe they had

810
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,539
gone out for the first time and never

811
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:47,760
talked again and there have been others

812
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,039
where they were close friends and while

813
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:52,320
they talked again there would be one who

814
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:53,820
would refuse to talk to the other about

815
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:54,659
it

816
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:00,059
what you just said but from that you

817
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:04,559
know a a related genre so sure and then

818
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,299
then I get you know once it's confirmed

819
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,280
then oh my God what does that mean

820
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:10,740
I think that's it right it's uh

821
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:13,859
um it's so destabilizing to just nailed

822
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,520
it Deb yeah I think that's true yep

823
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:20,159
because I've been watching the kids not

824
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,119
talk

825
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,060
to each other about it you know and I'm

826
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:26,159
like I I think and and not just that

827
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:27,480
case

828
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:31,200
process of making this film had to do

829
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,960
with going to Wales going to the

830
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,580
government going to military talking

831
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:37,260
about everybody talking about what was

832
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:38,760
going on at the time

833
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:41,460
like people have no idea how much

834
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,500
actually went into this film that didn't

835
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,940
get into the film

836
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,980
but I think I did a pretty good job of

837
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:48,960
like sussing everything out

838
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,740
um

839
00:34:55,129 --> 00:34:52,440
but uh there's a lot more to share

840
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,139
that's what I'm like ah

841
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,420
you know you did a good job oh my God

842
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:59,760
after all this work there's so much more

843
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:01,740
to share and I I you know trying to get

844
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,960
it out there has been tough

845
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,640
to be honest with you

846
00:35:09,790 --> 00:35:06,720
hmm

847
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:09,800
I feel like the way I've been sidelined

848
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,900
by the mainstream in some weird way I

849
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:15,599
don't quite understand it but anyway

850
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:18,540
interesting time time will time always

851
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,180
time and truth always wins yeah

852
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:23,040
well for example people didn't think you

853
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:24,839
would get this film out and you proved

854
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,060
that wrong so now it's just a matter of

855
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:29,040
time before you get the rest of the

856
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,240
material out and the rest of the story

857
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:32,820
out oh man from wrong again I'm gonna be

858
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,400
an old man by that time guys oh please

859
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,980
please you're nine days younger than me

860
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:39,480
come on

861
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,960
um DJ will always be older so yeah April

862
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:44,880
uh April 7th April no I'm sorry I'm

863
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:47,400
March 18th and you're March 30th right

864
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,400
yeah so 12 days right nice so

865
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:54,720
that's right it's summer of love man

866
00:35:59,650 --> 00:35:57,000
come on the Monterey Pop Festival let's

867
00:36:08,290 --> 00:36:04,849
so what I was gonna ask you is

868
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:08,300
beyond what the kids reported to you

869
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,880
that was communicated to them

870
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:14,400
do you have

871
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,160
a working hypothesis

872
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:20,640
about why they made that Landing

873
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:24,359
is does it comport exactly with what the

874
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,040
kids told you was communicated to them

875
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,920
and that young lady so eloquently uh

876
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:31,440
repeated on camera or do you think

877
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,060
there's another reason or was it to

878
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:34,560
check the oil Nathan could it have been

879
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,700
as simple as

880
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,160
you know checking the air in the landing

881
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,560
gear no but all kidding aside do you

882
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:42,599
have a hypothesis on that

883
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:49,250
um I do

884
00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:55,670
so what what so I do believe that

885
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,619
communication session whatever happened

886
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:00,800
there I do believe that really happened

887
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:04,200
sure the reason broader than that

888
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:07,380
was it broader than that yeah

889
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,520
um

890
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,560
I just want yeah let me the reason I

891
00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:13,440
believe that is because I

892
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,480
there were other people that also had

893
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:17,579
that experience other students who

894
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:19,320
admitted it to me but wouldn't go on

895
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,380
camera about it that's why that's why I

896
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,720
I know that whatever occurred in that

897
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,640
moment when they had Direct eye contact

898
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:30,480
that close encounter if you will

899
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:33,180
um that there was something communicated

900
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:37,140
to quite a few people in that moment

901
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,980
um

902
00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:40,020
you know the broader thing to be honest

903
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,579
with you is

904
00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:43,440
um human beings are wild animals and we

905
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:45,420
don't realize we are

906
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:48,839
because we've never been approached

907
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,200
by a more Superior species and maybe we

908
00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:54,720
did and maybe that's why there was

909
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,960
you know these major experiences you

910
00:38:03,170 --> 00:37:59,760
know and throughout our history

911
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:03,180
when they have interacted with us uh

912
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:07,200
so my feeling is it seems like

913
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:08,520
um

914
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:12,000
in a way a domestication program in a

915
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:12,960
sense

916
00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:17,099
to sort of take because you can't grow

917
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:20,280
and work with another species until you

918
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:22,740
are not going to freak out

919
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:25,260
with that other species and this is a

920
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:29,160
huge jump a huge gap to bridge between a

921
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:31,859
high in my this is my opinion I'm this

922
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:35,280
or make it like my my theory my working

923
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:37,859
feelings about this are

924
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,480
you know they're they're going to engage

925
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:42,480
with us to try to get us used to them

926
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,500
slowly very very slowly and I don't I

927
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,440
just don't see the

928
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:56,210
I see a a scientific interest I see you

929
00:39:01,069 --> 00:38:58,740
know one of the things I did was like

930
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,079
let's go look at it from a wider what's

931
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:02,640
their perspective

932
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,380
there's a guy doing a film about that

933
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:06,640
right now Dean Alito it's fantastic

934
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:07,200
[Music]

935
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:08,099
um

936
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:11,339
and taking that perspective and how they

937
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:13,320
may be looking at us and where we're at

938
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,260
and if they can get to places like ours

939
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:18,060
obviously they've been around for an

940
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:19,560
awfully long time

941
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:21,720
which makes the gap

942
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,400
much bigger

943
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:25,380
which is going to make the fear even

944
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,579
greater

945
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:30,000
um so that's my I do feel like this is a

946
00:39:34,270 --> 00:39:32,760
process of

947
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:34,280
uh

948
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,020
desensitization descents getting us used

949
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,300
to what's out there

950
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:41,220
we're so wrapped up in our own planet

951
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:44,520
and our own God

952
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,609
I'm sorry no go ahead our friend Matt

953
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:51,599
Monroe has a tangential question then

954
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,220
I'm going to come back to Nathan with

955
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,640
and ask the question to him

956
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,680
um Matt Monroe wants to know do you

957
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,300
think the landing had to do with the

958
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,700
uranium mine near the Ariel School

959
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:04,500
hi Matt

960
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:07,260
hey Matt thanks um but the question yes

961
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:08,820
uh well

962
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:11,160
let me put it this way that wasn't my

963
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:14,220
interest uh it was brought up to me

964
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,060
um

965
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,640
and I located those two there's two

966
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,160
locations actually but to me it really

967
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:22,140
didn't matter

968
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:23,099
um

969
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,660
if

970
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,950
the location granted we're dealing with

971
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:32,880
things that appear to be very interested

972
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,859
in our our

973
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,200
scientific Cutting Edge and what we're

974
00:40:42,670 --> 00:40:39,780
doing with very dangerous things very

975
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:42,680
obvious that they're watching that

976
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,900
uh was that the reason for Ariel maybe

977
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,760
maybe they were doing something else and

978
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:50,040
said let's uh let's give these kids an

979
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,180
experience

980
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,940
maybe I just I never took it as a

981
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:55,200
priority

982
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:58,260
um because of the the nature of the

983
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:01,140
story was so much deeper that the

984
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:02,460
reasons didn't matter

985
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,980
why they were there it was the fact that

986
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,920
they were there you know and from

987
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,560
everybody that witnessed it I don't you

988
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,440
know I'm not talking from my

989
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,900
the I can't argue with these people

990
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,240
like even the adults and other witnesses

991
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,220
that saw this

992
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:22,380
um from different perspectives you know

993
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,940
I'm not going to change their minds they

994
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,160
know and and that's the other thing a

995
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:28,140
lot of these people are really they

996
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:29,940
don't have the light pollution that we

997
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,020
have here

998
00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:33,839
those skies are dark

999
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,619
um

1000
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:36,240
they don't have the radar coverage we

1001
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:37,320
have here

1002
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:41,040
uh it's a very different world Africa

1003
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:43,740
and it's huge

1004
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:50,510
beautiful place man it's so beautiful I

1005
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:52,380
wish it was a little bit safer but have

1006
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,140
you been there I have yeah where'd you

1007
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,540
go I was in the middle military uh Mali

1008
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:00,839
Niger Algiers

1009
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,000
um a lot of trans-saharan Africa just

1010
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,579
because of the nature of my work but

1011
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:08,160
um but yeah it was I'm so glad that that

1012
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:10,980
I did have that experience other friends

1013
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:12,599
of mine went to Senegal a lot but I

1014
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,339
never got to I didn't get to go to

1015
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:16,800
Senegal unfortunately

1016
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,660
um yeah I always tell people like we

1017
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:20,339
don't need boot camp you just drop them

1018
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:23,099
off in Africa give them six months if

1019
00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:25,510
they make it back

1020
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,520
[Laughter]

1021
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:30,780
jungle survival there and be run into

1022
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:33,540
the Messiah Warriors saying what do I do

1023
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,420
um let me uh so I think uh Nathan and

1024
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:38,339
Debs want to tackle that question as

1025
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,960
well thank you Matt Monroe because Matt

1026
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:42,240
was amongst the group that uh had dinner

1027
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,339
with us that we had the pleasure to meet

1028
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:47,220
in New York city so Matt Matt ate with

1029
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,560
us he had a cool ball cap on he kind of

1030
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,359
looked kind of cool

1031
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:54,000
um so yes there he is Science Bob in the

1032
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,380
house yo

1033
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:57,660
um Nathan uh and then we'll go to Debs

1034
00:43:02,450 --> 00:42:59,940
with the same question but Nathan did

1035
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,460
did you have a feeling about what you

1036
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:04,619
thought their purpose was

1037
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:07,319
for coming to that place at that time

1038
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,260
and interacting with those kids was that

1039
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,660
happenstance what's your your whole take

1040
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:18,410
I think

1041
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,829
my perspective on this is that it we

1042
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:24,060
have we can't think about it as in terms

1043
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,720
of

1044
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:25,980
um

1045
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:28,200
that had happened in the past I think

1046
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,079
that it happened it's happening

1047
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:34,440
in a way it's happening now right

1048
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:36,119
um that

1049
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,040
there's a there's a funny relationship

1050
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:41,520
we have with time and in some of the

1051
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,180
children recount how time was a little

1052
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:47,220
strange in the moment of that experience

1053
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,000
but but I think more broadly uh

1054
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,819
it was like this injection of of an

1055
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960
engagement

1056
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,640
that is

1057
00:44:02,329 --> 00:43:59,700
teaching us something now

1058
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,339
it was planted then but it is it is

1059
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,839
flowering now

1060
00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:05,640
and

1061
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:08,339
there are those in the world who are

1062
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:09,720
seeing it

1063
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,200
who are feeling seen

1064
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,420
because it is validating what they have

1065
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,579
experienced

1066
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:20,280
and the power of that validation

1067
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,220
is contagious

1068
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:25,980
right and so you know to Randall's Point

1069
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,000
as well you know we aren't ready

1070
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:33,420
and it requires uh

1071
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,060
time you know in the way we know time

1072
00:44:41,770 --> 00:44:39,200
and it requires uh

1073
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,780
a very personal

1074
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,819
uh sharing of the experience you know

1075
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,740
you this is not something and we know

1076
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,440
this right we know this because uh we

1077
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,119
have so many people who said I've

1078
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:52,560
experienced this and everyone's like

1079
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,260
whatever you know but it requires a

1080
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:57,839
relationship you know if you if you know

1081
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,839
that person and they say DJ you know I

1082
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,839
experienced this and you know me like it

1083
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:06,300
hits different than it does if you just

1084
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,720
read it somewhere it's harder to ignore

1085
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,480
and I think that this is part of that

1086
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:14,579
story The unfolding of what's Happening

1087
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:15,359
Now

1088
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,420
the seeds were planted then

1089
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,000
Nathan do I see in there in your

1090
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:23,280
statement there that they saw this

1091
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,560
happening now then

1092
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:27,599
when they landed there they saw this

1093
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:29,099
this was

1094
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:32,220
going to happen they projected this I

1095
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:34,500
think in a way no I think in a way

1096
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,420
because I think that their relationship

1097
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:38,520
with time is different than ours I think

1098
00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:40,440
that they

1099
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,579
um

1100
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:43,920
understood that it would have this

1101
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:46,920
Rippling effect on us you know over our

1102
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:48,660
experience of time in our in our

1103
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:51,180
throughout our societies

1104
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:55,260
so um no you're absolutely I mean they

1105
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,180
they have they obviously have to look at

1106
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,520
time completely differently because of

1107
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:02,000
the fact that we are forced to view time

1108
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,500
based on change that occurs not only

1109
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,480
within us but without us and what we see

1110
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,220
every day but for them maybe not the

1111
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:10,260
case Deb we won't get that question to

1112
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:11,400
you and then we're going to go to Julie

1113
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:13,619
for with her question so what did you

1114
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,960
have Debs yeah a couple things one on

1115
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,220
the time thing that's a really

1116
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:19,440
interesting perspective I've had similar

1117
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,160
thoughts in general that if we were to

1118
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:25,980
put every experience and be honest about

1119
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:28,380
every experience together we might be

1120
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,540
getting a message and they might be

1121
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:32,819
messaging us in a way that is very

1122
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,339
different than how we send messages like

1123
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:37,380
if if people were honest about

1124
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:39,420
experiences and piecing things together

1125
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:41,460
we probably would have gotten really far

1126
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:44,099
actually in understanding that message

1127
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:46,680
but unfortunately we're still working

1128
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:49,980
out the Kinks on that system but

1129
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,980
um I I have to say way to answer the

1130
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,140
question of what happened

1131
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:57,359
that it stands out to me the comment

1132
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,300
about the flute because when I was a

1133
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,119
child I was in Germany and we used to

1134
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,640
watch a very particular play called The

1135
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:07,260
Pied Piper

1136
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,440
and when you mention the sound I I

1137
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:13,200
really hone in on that and I wonder I do

1138
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:15,300
think that there is a level I don't want

1139
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,339
to be an alarmist but there isn't a love

1140
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:20,040
a level of some kind of manipulation to

1141
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:21,900
humans that happens

1142
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:25,319
and I think that it's maybe the purpose

1143
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:28,319
is beyond our understanding but I am

1144
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,940
inclined to go with the notion of

1145
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:31,920
science you know

1146
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:34,980
but I wish you could expound a little

1147
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,780
bit on the sound I know that you've

1148
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:39,240
mentioned it before in another interview

1149
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:41,160
and then kind of didn't want to talk

1150
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:42,480
about it that much I don't know if

1151
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:44,700
you're comfortable telling us about that

1152
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,700
sound that they heard yeah

1153
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:48,960
um

1154
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,900
yeah well

1155
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,760
it doesn't come from them uh it doesn't

1156
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:55,200
come from the arrow kids it comes from

1157
00:48:00,490 --> 00:47:56,540
other people

1158
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:00,500
uh like the oscillating humming sounds

1159
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:04,020
uh that's pretty common uh the

1160
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:05,460
mechanical like some of the ways they

1161
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,900
describe it it's pretty brilliant

1162
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,880
brilliant because it's really hard to

1163
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,520
describe a sound that we have no

1164
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:13,560
reference for

1165
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:14,400
um

1166
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,880
and then the high pitch sound if you

1167
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,380
hear that high pitch sound you're in

1168
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:20,720
trouble

1169
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:23,700
that's just the truth

1170
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:27,960
um so and I I personally I think this is

1171
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,599
is very much a scientific operation I

1172
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:32,579
don't think these things are evil I just

1173
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,980
think we're very actually very dangerous

1174
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:36,420
to them

1175
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,339
because we are you know again I go back

1176
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,680
to that idea I know it may sound crazy

1177
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:42,780
to people but we are technically really

1178
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,579
wild animals when we're put in those

1179
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:47,220
kind of circumstances

1180
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,000
um

1181
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,680
so the sounds are actually really

1182
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,180
important and the other one is the

1183
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,319
silence

1184
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:54,240
uh

1185
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:59,400
the silence that occurs at different

1186
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:01,319
points and

1187
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:02,220
um

1188
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,460
the lack of sound I think is is really

1189
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,160
pretty incredible too

1190
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:11,160
um but that's what I've I'm not you know

1191
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:12,839
he can there are other incidents about

1192
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:15,720
those particular sounds

1193
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:16,380
um

1194
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:19,140
that you can find

1195
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:20,280
um

1196
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,500
and it was interesting because

1197
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:23,520
well

1198
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:26,940
it goes on just the the sound was an

1199
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:29,099
interesting uh part of this whole

1200
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,339
experience for them too

1201
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,160
um

1202
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:36,480
something strange and feeling something

1203
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,040
strange but they were hearing something

1204
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:39,599
very strange too

1205
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,400
I think the science fiction guys have

1206
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,920
captured this the best I mean these

1207
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:45,960
sounds that people describe or what I've

1208
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,119
heard in Star Trek and other other

1209
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:50,520
science fiction films so it seems like

1210
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,160
the imagination humans have imagined

1211
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:55,200
what this might sound like in in in

1212
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,660
various uh you know it's best that we

1213
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,700
could replicate it obviously we're not

1214
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:01,440
gonna We're not gonna hit those those

1215
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,960
ranges that that these craft are

1216
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,700
probably able to hit as you described

1217
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:07,200
you could be in trouble if you're

1218
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:09,060
hearing it Matt Monroe saying that he's

1219
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:10,859
heard a couple of different because he's

1220
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:13,800
obviously uh new to me but Matt has had

1221
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,440
some UAP sightings uh let me go with

1222
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:18,300
Julie's question and then I think Deb

1223
00:50:21,550 --> 00:50:20,819
wants to go to some current event talk

1224
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:21,560
um

1225
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:25,079
yes sir please most most great fiction

1226
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:27,420
comes from truth

1227
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,640
like you know where do you think close

1228
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:31,680
and I'm not saying to you but like Close

1229
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:33,660
Encounters of the Third Kind or all

1230
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,099
these different films set up just

1231
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:36,720
floored us

1232
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:38,940
I mean they didn't just make that up out

1233
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,540
of the blue they got some scoop yeah and

1234
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,339
that's what you do right you when you

1235
00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:46,319
make a fictional film you go on this

1236
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:48,540
massive pre-production thing where you

1237
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:49,800
research

1238
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:51,900
what you're gonna do right find out

1239
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,079
stories about anything you can around

1240
00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:57,059
the subject matter

1241
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,980
um so when you do the fictional you're

1242
00:51:03,049 --> 00:51:00,960
pretty right on

1243
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:03,059
um so that's kind of funny like this

1244
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,160
none of this came from fiction

1245
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:08,400
you know it came from uh even going back

1246
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:11,339
I was watching a 1956 film on UFOs the

1247
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:13,319
other night and I'm like it's the same

1248
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:14,280
story

1249
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:16,380
we're still talking about the same thing

1250
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:18,300
the same things people are seeing

1251
00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:22,200
hearing watching and that was 1956 I'm

1252
00:51:26,819 --> 00:51:29,750
topic houses

1253
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:31,970
it's just stunning I'm sorry again my

1254
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:33,059
personal

1255
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:37,319
no I think we all share that too uh to

1256
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:38,760
one degree or another

1257
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:41,940
um every day and they're fine

1258
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:45,240
in other countries yes they know no I I

1259
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,660
know I know um it it that's that's a

1260
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:50,819
whole separate discussion that sorry I

1261
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,460
can't no I mean I would I'll get into it

1262
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:56,400
but uh let me let me take because I

1263
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,660
don't want to leave Julie out of this

1264
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,520
and then we can go into some current

1265
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,960
events and and then whatever you guys

1266
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:03,119
want to talk about but it says how are

1267
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:05,339
the experiences being treated since the

1268
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:07,140
film I hope they are happy about

1269
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:08,520
participating

1270
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:09,960
so

1271
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:12,059
um that's going to the the young ladies

1272
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:15,059
and men that you uh that participated in

1273
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:20,390
well that's a good question I I think

1274
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:23,220
it's uh it's not easy

1275
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:24,359
um

1276
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:25,859
you know everybody's been pretty pretty

1277
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,960
quiet to be honest with you

1278
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,220
um

1279
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,200
uh you know you don't see them rushing

1280
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:33,599
out to do interviews and

1281
00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:37,250
um

1282
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:39,660
it's hard I think it's hard no matter

1283
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:41,400
who you are or no matter what you saw it

1284
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:43,980
like I think it's

1285
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:46,440
um it was already hard for them back

1286
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:47,460
then

1287
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:49,380
so

1288
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:51,480
I you know

1289
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,599
it's a long time this is uh that

1290
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:57,359
a lot of people been thinking about it

1291
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,140
um

1292
00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:00,480
and I think probably Debbie right about

1293
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:03,420
the conference confirmation

1294
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,920
um

1295
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,380
a lot of people have avoided each other

1296
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:09,599
for a long time for because of this

1297
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:11,099
incident

1298
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:11,760
um

1299
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:14,220
and other incidents like this

1300
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:16,500
uh so

1301
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:19,920
I don't know I just I was you know I

1302
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,140
have to just was done the best

1303
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:23,760
um with that what their process they're

1304
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,079
going through

1305
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:31,190
yeah I just

1306
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:33,170
yeah it's hard I'm responsible for that

1307
00:53:36,829 --> 00:53:34,680
process

1308
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:36,839
by telling you just you know what I mean

1309
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:38,700
I feel

1310
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:41,640
you know I have my own uh feelings about

1311
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:44,339
it my own um

1312
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:46,200
brings up a lot of different things for

1313
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,140
me too and uh

1314
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:52,319
yeah it's just

1315
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,359
a lot of people don't want to be defined

1316
00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:56,520
by one thing that that they saw right

1317
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,980
and everybody wants to ask about it and

1318
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:00,240
there's some of these women that you

1319
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,460
could see I just want to live my life I

1320
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,079
want to raise my kids and I don't want

1321
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,480
to be defined by this event that that's

1322
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,220
all people want to know me for and talk

1323
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:10,800
to me for I just want to be me just be a

1324
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,339
person and I get that you know I and

1325
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,040
anybody who's you know the least bit

1326
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:19,200
empathetic can get that but Deb wanted

1327
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,700
to go into some current events so please

1328
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,559
Deb go ahead and throw out the topic

1329
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:24,240
that you wanted to tackle

1330
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:27,900
okay so we'll be um kind of missing the

1331
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:30,119
ball so to speak if we didn't talk about

1332
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,780
what is going on right now with uaps and

1333
00:54:36,370 --> 00:54:35,520
the United States government and

1334
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,380
Military

1335
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,119
so not only am I interested in your

1336
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:41,520
perspective on it but I wanted to throw

1337
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:43,140
out a question

1338
00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:45,900
um that I kind of threw out on Twitter

1339
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,079
um today which was why do we think even

1340
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,660
though NORAD has had thousands of

1341
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,420
sightings of uncorrelated targets that

1342
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,160
Ross coldthorne has spoken about for

1343
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:58,319
some time because he's been chummy with

1344
00:55:02,089 --> 00:54:59,940
some guys at NORAD

1345
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:02,099
why is it all of a sudden we're shooting

1346
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:04,440
those targets down

1347
00:55:08,569 --> 00:55:07,500
so I'll tackle that

1348
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:08,579
um

1349
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:09,720
so

1350
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,859
when you when you talk about

1351
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:12,960
uncorrelated targets and they're looking

1352
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,300
at hits on what a radar or they're

1353
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,460
looking at whatever visual sensors that

1354
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:19,859
they have that maybe space-based sensors

1355
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:21,960
and they're looking at something that

1356
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:25,260
they feel is not an anomalous technology

1357
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:27,660
not something like what Ryan grave saw

1358
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:30,960
and something they think is made by a

1359
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,020
global power competition rival and our

1360
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:36,000
Global power competition Rivals are

1361
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:37,260
Russia and China

1362
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,660
so I'm guessing that the reason that

1363
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,280
they shot these down is because they

1364
00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:43,859
were not uaps they were not something

1365
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:46,740
that could outperform our aircraft or

1366
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:49,260
our Technologies and it's just as simple

1367
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:50,940
as that

1368
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:54,480
um for like uh that people were asking

1369
00:55:57,470 --> 00:55:55,800
me today I talked to a couple of our

1370
00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:57,480
friends from the UK they were

1371
00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:00,059
hypothesizing about what President Biden

1372
00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:02,579
minor might not say and I said well he's

1373
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:05,339
not going to say anything because to

1374
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:09,119
characterize it uh is not in his

1375
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,319
interest to be vague and and unclear

1376
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:16,260
specifically about what it was and what

1377
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:17,819
the nature what they picked they may

1378
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,020
have for all we know they may have

1379
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,640
recovered every single piece of what was

1380
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:23,760
shot down by now but to do that and to

1381
00:56:27,290 --> 00:56:25,020
confirm it

1382
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:27,300
doesn't you don't give the other

1383
00:56:31,309 --> 00:56:29,460
intelligence Services a chance to be

1384
00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:31,319
unclear and to guess about it and that's

1385
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:33,240
what they want to do this is like

1386
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,180
gamesmanship this is chess so you don't

1387
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:40,079
want to you always have to as as uh you

1388
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:42,540
know their job is to project strength

1389
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:44,099
and power

1390
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,220
um and so and every time you say I don't

1391
00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:49,740
know we don't know what this is we can

1392
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:51,720
control we can't nobody you don't do

1393
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:53,940
that because that just tells Russia and

1394
00:56:57,710 --> 00:56:55,319
China exactly what they would want to

1395
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:57,720
hear so you have to keep it vague and

1396
00:57:01,210 --> 00:56:59,099
keep them guessing and I think that's

1397
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:01,220
exactly what they've done they've seen

1398
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:04,500
four technologies that they said hey we

1399
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:06,180
can take this out of the sky with a name

1400
00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:10,319
nine or a name 23 whatever those uh was

1401
00:57:15,049 --> 00:57:12,839
on the rails of that F22 and they said

1402
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:15,059
okay we take a shot we get this if they

1403
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:16,800
saw like a sphere and a cube I don't

1404
00:57:21,049 --> 00:57:17,819
think they're going to take a shot at

1405
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:21,059
that you know or a Tic Tac right so

1406
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,349
yeah I agree I I agree you know what

1407
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,700
should I talk I'm not sure sir yes sir

1408
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,960
absolutely

1409
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:33,839
um well thank you yeah I agree with you

1410
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:36,300
um I think like initially like the

1411
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:38,040
biggest thing that happened was a power

1412
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:40,020
play saying hey we got it we got

1413
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:42,359
whatever you know in our skies we got it

1414
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:44,700
right that was the first kind of

1415
00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:45,599
statement

1416
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:48,140
that was made by it um

1417
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:51,720
what's interesting about uh the what

1418
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,780
we're talking about spying

1419
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,880
right I think that's very interesting

1420
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:59,040
because that could lead to well who else

1421
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:00,780
is spying on all of us

1422
00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:05,040
right oh yeah sure so that's a doorway I

1423
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:06,780
I you know initially it was like uh here

1424
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:08,460
they go we're gonna walk back the whole

1425
00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:09,599
thing because

1426
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,980
you know we don't wanna we don't want to

1427
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,540
freak people out that's the you know

1428
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:13,920
they're

1429
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,380
Mo so

1430
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,720
um but it also is opening doorways I

1431
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:19,440
think

1432
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:21,540
um so we'll see we'll see but yeah if

1433
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,920
this was the real deal they would not

1434
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:28,130
I want to throw something else at you

1435
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,819
one of the goals that they like to be

1436
00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:32,880
able to do is to to Nathan mentioned

1437
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:34,619
this before about D State you said the

1438
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,900
word destabilizing you know off

1439
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:38,760
balancing you and one of the things that

1440
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,980
that because we have a very very Free

1441
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:43,200
Press and our two Global power

1442
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:47,040
competition Rivals do not have that they

1443
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:49,260
like to throw things out there if first

1444
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,180
of all 50 percent of the United States

1445
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:53,280
at any one time does not trust the

1446
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:55,619
president and or that person's entire

1447
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:58,619
government so you have that so now we're

1448
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:01,260
just working on that other 50 now so

1449
00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,780
we're our job is made a lot easier or

1450
00:59:08,089 --> 00:59:05,579
their job you know this is not the The

1451
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:08,099
Truman error or the or the uh the

1452
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:09,540
Roosevelt era or anything like that

1453
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:11,940
where you know you had 70 or 80 percent

1454
00:59:15,049 --> 00:59:13,319
of the country whatever it might have

1455
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:15,059
been so

1456
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:17,880
so doing things like this causes a

1457
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:19,500
distrust in the government it causes

1458
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,500
people to say what is this why they let

1459
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,180
it float over the country before they

1460
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,000
took it down uh is this an is this an

1461
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:29,700
attack from aliens uh is this Russia and

1462
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:32,640
China that can just float objects across

1463
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,940
our our airspace so it's a very very

1464
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:37,920
good move they're going thumbs up in

1465
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,780
Russia and China because here you have

1466
00:59:43,069 --> 00:59:41,880
Russia that's got egg on their face uh

1467
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,079
they should have been able to take out

1468
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,599
Ukraine like a year ago or not not

1469
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:48,000
actually but you know six months ago and

1470
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:49,680
then you have China that's kind of

1471
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:51,900
trying to play both sides but to the

1472
00:59:56,569 --> 00:59:54,059
extent that they can make us look a

1473
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,579
little bit weak and and destabilize and

1474
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:58,799
keep us off balance that's a that's a

1475
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:03,170
um

1476
01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:05,819
I think the public the public trust

1477
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:08,520
issue that you brought up is extremely

1478
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,660
important

1479
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:12,480
because uh we're at an all-time low and

1480
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,220
that's not good and I think a large

1481
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:16,079
reason for that is the

1482
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:18,359
overclassification and the the that

1483
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:19,500
they're keeping

1484
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,940
things that they should tell their

1485
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:22,680
public

1486
01:00:25,849 --> 01:00:25,079
um two two quite too too close to the

1487
01:00:28,609 --> 01:00:25,859
best

1488
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:28,619
and they're you know you do not want to

1489
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:36,230
and we've heard that from the

1490
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,040
representatives who have spoken out

1491
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:39,599
following the briefings that they had

1492
01:00:44,569 --> 01:00:42,359
that many of them openly calling for the

1493
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:44,579
president to be forthright with the

1494
01:00:47,950 --> 01:00:46,500
American people tell them tell the

1495
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:47,960
American people what we know

1496
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,680
uh you know I I think it's um

1497
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:54,480
there were a lot of unanswered questions

1498
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:57,000
from what we've heard on the official

1499
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:58,319
line there have been some confusing

1500
01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:01,500
statements made from different uh you

1501
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:03,900
know representatives from NORAD and and

1502
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,200
the dod uh we don't look like we have

1503
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:09,839
our act together let's put it that way

1504
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:10,559
um

1505
01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:12,839
and and you know to DJ's point I agree

1506
01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:14,700
we want to keep our cards close to the

1507
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:18,059
best like that's really important uh but

1508
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,619
at the same time we don't look super

1509
01:01:24,829 --> 01:01:21,839
competent right now either

1510
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,839
um so uh that was another goal that was

1511
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,180
their goal to not look competent yeah

1512
01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:29,280
that was their goal is to make us not

1513
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:30,839
look confident oh oh I'm saying that's

1514
01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:32,579
what I said yeah no no the other

1515
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:34,260
countries yeah yeah I agree with you

1516
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:37,140
there uh but you know we almost would

1517
01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:38,460
have been better saying nothing than

1518
01:01:41,569 --> 01:01:40,140
what we said so far is what we said so

1519
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:41,579
far has actually made us look more

1520
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:43,260
incompetent

1521
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,040
um

1522
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,040
so but but you know large on a larger

1523
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:48,960
sort of perspective on this I think and

1524
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,059
I want your take on this Randle you know

1525
01:01:55,609 --> 01:01:53,839
there is a certain degree to which uh

1526
01:01:58,130 --> 01:01:55,619
acknowledging that these things are even

1527
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,140
there uh whether they are you know air

1528
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:00,480
clutter balloons whatever they may be uh

1529
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,319
it does it begins sort of opening the uh

1530
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,440
possibility space for uh the American

1531
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,140
public and the world as to you know what

1532
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:12,720
else is up there and um you know

1533
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:14,760
cognitively I think that is kind of like

1534
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:17,940
prepping the field so to speak uh for

1535
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:20,579
some things that uh that maybe

1536
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:23,040
coming down the the pipeline here at

1537
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:24,660
least I think that that is the case I

1538
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:26,760
could be wrong

1539
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:31,500
uh that's very uh very possible

1540
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,420
um

1541
01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:35,760
you know I've seen I fly I've seen

1542
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:37,079
balloons

1543
01:02:42,589 --> 01:02:39,900
you know it's not an abnormal thing to

1544
01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:42,599
see if you've put enough hours up up in

1545
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:43,619
the sky

1546
01:02:47,569 --> 01:02:46,500
uh you see party balloons and just huge

1547
01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:47,579
groups

1548
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,040
uh you occasionally will see a weather

1549
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,839
balloon they've had one encounter with

1550
01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:53,760
the weather balloon

1551
01:02:57,789 --> 01:02:54,359
um

1552
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:57,799
one of those figures of like SpongeBob

1553
01:03:02,210 --> 01:03:00,180
or I forget what it was I took

1554
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:02,220
photographs out my window when I was

1555
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,440
flying by it

1556
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:07,440
what is this thing doing at 6000 feet

1557
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,040
um

1558
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,520
so yeah balloons uh all that stuff is

1559
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:14,160
kind of normal things you I mean this

1560
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:15,900
was a different experience a high

1561
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:18,180
altitude balloon with a lot of gear on

1562
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,760
it two thousand pounds that's a lot

1563
01:03:23,809 --> 01:03:22,079
um

1564
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,819
you know that's not something I would

1565
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:25,920
run into but you you know Pilots run

1566
01:03:30,349 --> 01:03:27,960
into uh you know you see balloons

1567
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:30,359
occasionally and it does like oh man if

1568
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:32,819
I hit that thing I'd be in you know it

1569
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:35,880
would cause some damage but uh

1570
01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:39,359
uh birds are far more a problem

1571
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:40,920
um

1572
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:45,359
so yeah I think uh

1573
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,799
it opens the door to say well what else

1574
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,839
you know and you know that it's funny

1575
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,760
that movie don't look it up came up now

1576
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:55,500
everybody's looking up

1577
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:57,480
uh maybe

1578
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:00,180
um and thinking about that space which

1579
01:04:02,809 --> 01:04:01,980
is not very large

1580
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,819
um

1581
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:04,799
you know as far as

1582
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:08,160
we go for horizontal or you know we go

1583
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,740
north south east east and west when you

1584
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:13,200
go up it's not very it's you go up three

1585
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:15,240
miles you can't breathe

1586
01:04:20,990 --> 01:04:17,940
you know that's right uh we're in a very

1587
01:04:23,809 --> 01:04:21,000
like small area and we fly up to

1588
01:04:25,609 --> 01:04:23,819
whatever 80 000 feet

1589
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:25,619
um before you know there's different

1590
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,319
layers of the atmosphere

1591
01:04:31,309 --> 01:04:29,520
um

1592
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:31,319
I honest fear is fascinating to me

1593
01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:33,000
because that's when things do crazy

1594
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,420
things because of the

1595
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:38,400
that you get a light show

1596
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:40,140
um so anyway

1597
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:43,440
um yeah I'm hopeful

1598
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:45,240
because I think we have to just we have

1599
01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:47,880
to address this we really do

1600
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:49,799
and it's not going to hurt us I don't

1601
01:04:58,430 --> 01:04:56,450
if I'm wrong you know I just don't see

1602
01:05:01,370 --> 01:04:58,440
that I think um

1603
01:05:03,530 --> 01:05:01,380
it's if anything it'll probably bring us

1604
01:05:05,870 --> 01:05:03,540
all together on a totally different uh

1605
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:05,880
and important way

1606
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:07,980
yeah and so this was sort of a test

1607
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,020
right there right would would they

1608
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:12,960
attribute it to another intelligence

1609
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:15,000
technology or would they say it's human

1610
01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:16,859
technology so you saw what the answer

1611
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:18,359
was the answer was it was human

1612
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:20,940
technology whether it was or not I mean

1613
01:05:26,569 --> 01:05:23,819
yeah I mean to me

1614
01:05:28,849 --> 01:05:26,579
um I I had a conversation with another

1615
01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:28,859
member of cab the UFO thinker Frank

1616
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:31,020
today and I said on the order of

1617
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:33,900
probabilities is it impossible that we

1618
01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:36,720
could take out another intelligence's

1619
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:38,760
Aerial Technology with one of our

1620
01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:42,240
weapons it's not impossible it's less

1621
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,819
than likely that we would be able to do

1622
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:47,520
that based on what we know and we don't

1623
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,140
know at all right because we're not

1624
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,839
privy to the top secret info of

1625
01:05:55,730 --> 01:05:53,280
different interactions with different

1626
01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:55,740
aircraft and different aerial phenomenon

1627
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,480
that was from out of this world or at

1628
01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:59,760
least non-human intelligence right but

1629
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,740
on the order of probabilities it is less

1630
01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:03,599
than likely that we're going to shoot

1631
01:06:09,289 --> 01:06:07,079
down a Tic Tac with an F-22 or something

1632
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,299
analogous to that what did we all agree

1633
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:10,559
with that

1634
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:13,500
yeah okay so

1635
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:17,040
but if they wanted to characterize it as

1636
01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:19,740
another intelligence because we none of

1637
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,140
us know what they actually were what

1638
01:06:26,750 --> 01:06:24,960
they downed they could have right and we

1639
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:26,760
would be none the wiser

1640
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:29,700
they decided not to so that should be a

1641
01:06:36,289 --> 01:06:34,200
little bit of a window to you UFO uh

1642
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:36,299
analysts out there or UFO interested

1643
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:38,460
person which all of us on this group are

1644
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:41,520
and all of UFO Twitter is right

1645
01:06:44,569 --> 01:06:43,020
um that should be a window into into

1646
01:06:48,829 --> 01:06:44,579
what they're thinking

1647
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:48,839
so I've I've said to uh uh on our show

1648
01:06:54,109 --> 01:06:51,420
on many occasions there's a there's a

1649
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:54,119
Delta between what I want them to tell

1650
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,460
us and what I think we should know and

1651
01:07:00,670 --> 01:06:58,559
what they think is in their interest to

1652
01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:00,680
tell us those are not the same things

1653
01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:04,740
because in theory

1654
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:07,140
my occupation let's just say for this

1655
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:09,420
this is not my occupation I do actually

1656
01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:11,160
work in government but let's just say

1657
01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:13,799
that I'm a UFO analyst is my occupation

1658
01:07:19,849 --> 01:07:17,160
so I care disclosure is what is my job I

1659
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:19,859
want to know about that their job is to

1660
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,400
instill public confidence and trust and

1661
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:25,920
unfortunately what UFO interested

1662
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:28,079
persons don't get is it's not in their

1663
01:07:32,329 --> 01:07:29,940
interest to tell everything what we know

1664
01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:32,339
about UFOs and what we've captured and

1665
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:34,200
we've done this and we've done that and

1666
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:36,180
we're back engineering technology and we

1667
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:38,099
we've had these interactions and this is

1668
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:39,359
what's that they're not going to do that

1669
01:07:43,069 --> 01:07:40,799
it's not in their interest because

1670
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,079
Russia and China aren't doing that now

1671
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:44,960
if they all got together and said

1672
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,160
collectively we're going to get on stage

1673
01:07:50,029 --> 01:07:48,960
at the U.N and talk about now that's a

1674
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:50,039
different story

1675
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:56,870
hey so can I comment here real quick I

1676
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:58,859
just think if we step back for a minute

1677
01:08:04,370 --> 01:08:01,920
and look at what's going on a couple

1678
01:08:07,329 --> 01:08:04,380
really significant things have to be

1679
01:08:10,609 --> 01:08:07,339
highlighted the White House was

1680
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:10,619
explaining to the American public that

1681
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,900
it was not alien so think about that for

1682
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:14,880
a minute when would we have ever

1683
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:17,100
imagined that the White House would even

1684
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:20,160
be say like ever have to say that right

1685
01:08:27,950 --> 01:08:24,000
and then secondary NORAD had a general

1686
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:27,960
saying I can't roll out aliens when did

1687
01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:30,299
we ever think like I was listening live

1688
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,779
when that happens right this is the fact

1689
01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:35,759
that they're even telling us about these

1690
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,580
shoot Downs when we know for a fact that

1691
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:41,279
there have been shoot Downs in the past

1692
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:43,620
they're telling us now they're making a

1693
01:08:49,789 --> 01:08:46,440
public nail okay that's a big deal

1694
01:08:51,769 --> 01:08:49,799
something's going on was it curvy they

1695
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,779
had to they had to react to it because

1696
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:53,279
it was in the news

1697
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,819
yeah but I I think it was Kirby

1698
01:09:02,329 --> 01:08:59,279
um who said you know it wasn't

1699
01:09:05,209 --> 01:09:02,339
extraterrestrial I'm like what like

1700
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:05,219
that's a new category now like

1701
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:08,460
that's no longer off the table it's

1702
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,020
exactly what you're saying Deb thanks

1703
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,199
for that's brilliant yeah because that's

1704
01:09:17,870 --> 01:09:15,540
what struck me too I it's it's it's it's

1705
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:17,880
really true like right is this the

1706
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:20,219
normalization process it occupies the

1707
01:09:26,689 --> 01:09:24,239
possibility space now whereas before

1708
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:26,699
we have Lou and Christopher Mellon and

1709
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:29,219
Tom Delong and all and Alex Dietrich and

1710
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:30,600
Dave fraver and all them and the New

1711
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,580
York Times crew to thank for that

1712
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,560
because they're the ones that that

1713
01:09:38,410 --> 01:09:36,960
otherwise we wouldn't be having I've

1714
01:09:41,209 --> 01:09:38,420
told people

1715
01:09:44,150 --> 01:09:41,219
yeah yes and I do I've told my friends

1716
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:44,160
in the UK until you make the government

1717
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,380
move from the position that they're in

1718
01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:49,199
they're they're stuck right here you see

1719
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:50,699
my death shaking and they're not gonna

1720
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,980
move until you make the move

1721
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:54,960
the reason the UK government is not

1722
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,540
moving is because they have they do not

1723
01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:59,520
have a way to move them off of their

1724
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:02,280
position of we don't discuss UFOs well

1725
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:04,739
guess what Lou and Chris and all those

1726
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:06,300
guys in the fighter pilot said well

1727
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:08,160
guess what here at front front page in

1728
01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:10,140
New York Times had a UFO interaction

1729
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:13,140
well now we're gonna have to discuss it

1730
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:15,719
plus they got meetings up on the hill so

1731
01:10:22,669 --> 01:10:19,199
now the dod was uh forced to talk about

1732
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:22,679
it but what what I'm saying is as far as

1733
01:10:27,649 --> 01:10:25,020
them disclosing what they know about it

1734
01:10:29,149 --> 01:10:27,659
I don't think that's happening they're

1735
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:29,159
the the reason that they're talking

1736
01:10:34,729 --> 01:10:31,739
about it is they were forced into it as

1737
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:34,739
a result of people seeing these balloons

1738
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,320
and people civilian agencies being aware

1739
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,840
that uh Fighters are being launched and

1740
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,520
something was being scrambled and people

1741
01:10:46,669 --> 01:10:44,159
saw this and so that forced their hand

1742
01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:46,679
if they could have kept it secret I'm

1743
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:49,020
certain they would have

1744
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,280
yeah

1745
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:52,560
you know the the other thing that uh

1746
01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:54,360
there's a lot up there you know I know

1747
01:10:58,189 --> 01:10:56,520
they talk about you know the

1748
01:11:00,350 --> 01:10:58,199
there's below there's all kinds of stuff

1749
01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:00,360
up up in the sky that you know I've been

1750
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:03,300
out with my telescope and Sky watching

1751
01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:04,320
forever

1752
01:11:09,649 --> 01:11:07,320
and um yeah there's so much up there but

1753
01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:09,659
and these other

1754
01:11:15,290 --> 01:11:12,840
things other creatures whatever you want

1755
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:15,300
to call it this other species

1756
01:11:18,649 --> 01:11:16,080
um

1757
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:18,659
you know they're not uh they're very

1758
01:11:23,330 --> 01:11:21,300
subtle actually

1759
01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:23,340
um it's not like they're racing around

1760
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:25,500
in our atmosphere all the time

1761
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,930
uh they don't travel in the way that we

1762
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:35,040
do either

1763
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:35,820
um

1764
01:11:40,189 --> 01:11:37,800
so quick appearances and quick

1765
01:11:42,110 --> 01:11:40,199
disappearances are just normal

1766
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,120
so we I mean we don't even know how to

1767
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:44,400
do anything like that or how to address

1768
01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:47,159
it because once it's there maybe for 45

1769
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,100
seconds and then it's gone uh and then

1770
01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:52,560
the f-15s show up about you know 10

1771
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:55,100
minutes later all right guys

1772
01:12:00,830 --> 01:11:59,280
you know Randall Randall a conflict you

1773
01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:00,840
know Randall you're a pilot they're not

1774
01:12:04,669 --> 01:12:02,699
following aerodynamics they don't need

1775
01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:04,679
aerodynamics I don't know why that

1776
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:06,600
that's that's the that's the big

1777
01:12:09,709 --> 01:12:07,739
discriminator

1778
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:09,719
and they create their own atmosphere

1779
01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:12,360
around them I don't know how how it's

1780
01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:14,820
done or whatever but that's what you

1781
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,620
observe

1782
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:19,199
yeah uh somebody I I recommend people go

1783
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,260
listen to Ryan Graves uh podcast I think

1784
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:24,360
it's called merged and you're going to

1785
01:12:29,390 --> 01:12:27,540
hear a Japan Airlines pilot there with I

1786
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:29,400
don't know how many thousands I mean

1787
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,280
he's in the tens of thousands of hours

1788
01:12:38,030 --> 01:12:34,920
um he's been flying for 35 years and

1789
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:38,040
he'll tell us what's that is that the

1790
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:39,600
Alaska incident

1791
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:42,900
no he is um he talks about several

1792
01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:44,940
different things and he's encountered

1793
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:48,300
flying almost he's he's almost flown the

1794
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:50,340
entire ring around the world but he's

1795
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:53,820
flown some incredible routes all over uh

1796
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:55,860
Asia all over the globe and so he tells

1797
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,900
some stories that he knows that he

1798
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,000
experienced himself and then what's been

1799
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,400
related to him by other Pilots but you

1800
01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:04,080
know the wall I mean what should make

1801
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:06,360
Deb Happy is the walls are coming down

1802
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:08,100
Pilots are starting to talk about it

1803
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:09,960
something that during the time of my

1804
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,620
career nobody talked about it and um and

1805
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,360
obviously I mean I'm the killjoy here

1806
01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:17,520
nobody wants to hear from me because I'm

1807
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,659
going to tell people what they don't

1808
01:13:24,169 --> 01:13:21,360
want to hear but I'm going to tell them

1809
01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:24,179
uh the way the government works as I see

1810
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,239
it and I've been in the defense industry

1811
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,800
for

1812
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:30,960
I mean I'm 55 and I've been there since

1813
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,480
I'm 23 so

1814
01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:36,480
I have to call it like you know again

1815
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:39,239
like if I'm sure it wasn't easy for Ryan

1816
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,219
Graves to come forward and these other

1817
01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:43,679
people I man

1818
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:46,140
that sacrifice and that's doing

1819
01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:47,880
something for the right reason and I

1820
01:13:52,490 --> 01:13:50,280
have yeah courage

1821
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,500
um I have just an enormous amount of

1822
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:54,239
respect for those people for doing the

1823
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:55,800
right thing

1824
01:13:58,610 --> 01:13:56,940
um

1825
01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:58,620
that's yeah

1826
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:01,500
if the UK could get one Ryan Graves or

1827
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,540
one day fraver that would change

1828
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,520
everything that person would have to

1829
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:07,440
know their flying career would be over

1830
01:14:12,590 --> 01:14:10,500
uh on day one that they reported it but

1831
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,600
if they got one person like that that

1832
01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:14,159
could get the ball rolling but the

1833
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,960
problem is they don't have that so their

1834
01:14:19,970 --> 01:14:17,280
government just tells them we don't talk

1835
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:19,980
about UFOs when they they've uh when

1836
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:21,300
they correspond with the ministry of

1837
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,140
Defense

1838
01:14:25,490 --> 01:14:24,480
they needed to talk to their uh airline

1839
01:14:27,169 --> 01:14:25,500
pilots

1840
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:27,179
that's pretty much I mean it's kind of

1841
01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:30,960
discussed okay I messaged

1842
01:14:36,590 --> 01:14:33,300
um I flew with a British Airways pilot

1843
01:14:39,229 --> 01:14:36,600
he flew in my Squadron in the early

1844
01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:39,239
2000s and I know him really well like

1845
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:41,400
him really well I messaged him on

1846
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:44,159
LinkedIn hey you know I don't want to

1847
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,320
say his name hey you know can you tell

1848
01:14:50,030 --> 01:14:48,000
me have you seen anything because I know

1849
01:14:52,250 --> 01:14:50,040
if he's fallen for British Airways he's

1850
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:52,260
been all he's been around the world

1851
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,560
no reply at all and this is a guy that I

1852
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:57,360
like and likes me

1853
01:15:00,770 --> 01:14:58,920
um

1854
01:15:02,689 --> 01:15:00,780
so what does that tell you

1855
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,699
actually I've I've messaged more than

1856
01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:05,040
one of those I've messaged two guys that

1857
01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:06,780
I flew with that were

1858
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:09,900
in the RAF but flew they came to our

1859
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:12,480
Squadron for four years and I know them

1860
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:13,739
really well and they haven't responded

1861
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:16,140
to me so

1862
01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:20,760
interesting yeah yeah silence you know

1863
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,420
humans are very uh like we like to mimic

1864
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:26,640
each other right we don't we're not

1865
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:28,860
we're kind of heard animals in a way

1866
01:15:33,169 --> 01:15:31,500
we're not gonna like go out on a limb if

1867
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:33,179
everyone else isn't going out on a limb

1868
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:37,140
but but I think your film uh Randall and

1869
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,900
and like we're seeing with what Ryan's

1870
01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:41,520
doing that we just talked about I mean

1871
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,800
it is giving people permission

1872
01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:45,840
they're taking the heat basically you

1873
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:47,640
know and Randall you you're taking some

1874
01:15:51,169 --> 01:15:49,560
heat too putting your own self out there

1875
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:51,179
in this way

1876
01:15:56,330 --> 01:15:53,100
um but you're giving permission to

1877
01:15:57,950 --> 01:15:56,340
others to respond and I I would like to

1878
01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:57,960
you know if you could speak to any

1879
01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:00,120
response that you've had since the film

1880
01:16:03,770 --> 01:16:02,100
has come out uh you know people who've

1881
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:03,780
connected with you you know can you tell

1882
01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:06,960
us any of those kinds of stories

1883
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,699
I've had a couple people from my High

1884
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,560
School contact me

1885
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,000
uh

1886
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,920
because of

1887
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:16,080
things that they had seen and gone

1888
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:19,380
through ah that really blew my mind that

1889
01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:21,540
was a few years ago

1890
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:25,380
uh recently uh letters I've gotten notes

1891
01:16:30,050 --> 01:16:27,780
I've gotten that and the most powerful

1892
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,060
thing it just almost brought me to tears

1893
01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:32,159
and I probably would have a good cry if

1894
01:16:36,169 --> 01:16:34,020
I really sat with that letter for long

1895
01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:36,179
but it was um

1896
01:16:40,189 --> 01:16:38,520
and it was more than one and that they

1897
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:40,199
said thank you for validating my

1898
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:41,520
experience

1899
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:45,300
dude I can't tell you what that meant to

1900
01:16:52,189 --> 01:16:48,719
me and it wasn't I don't take that's

1901
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:52,199
what I the children at Ariel did for

1902
01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:53,280
those people

1903
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,460
I was part of it my crew was the kid you

1904
01:16:59,570 --> 01:16:57,840
know I'm not taking the responsibility

1905
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:59,580
you know what I mean

1906
01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:00,239
um

1907
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:03,719
but that's what that's there was no

1908
01:17:10,850 --> 01:17:07,500
better result to that movie

1909
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:10,860
uh other than that where somebody who's

1910
01:17:13,850 --> 01:17:12,179
alone with it

1911
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:13,860
somebody who's been struggling with it

1912
01:17:18,530 --> 01:17:16,140
have nobody around them believing them

1913
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:18,540
finally has you know some kind of

1914
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:22,980
validation and that's so important no

1915
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,380
matter what you've gone through actually

1916
01:17:30,890 --> 01:17:27,960
yeah Randall without going through an

1917
01:17:32,750 --> 01:17:30,900
exhaustive search of my brain I count

1918
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,760
seven High School classmates that have

1919
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:35,280
had sightings in the Hudson Valley wave

1920
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:38,520
of the 80s seven

1921
01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:40,620
yeah and every one of them has told me

1922
01:17:45,649 --> 01:17:43,560
their story and one of them has seen two

1923
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:45,659
different most of them saw a triangle

1924
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:47,640
actually eight now that I'm thinking of

1925
01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:49,260
it let's make it eight that's what I

1926
01:17:52,189 --> 01:17:50,940
mean I mean I didn't even have to

1927
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,199
you know because we live right near

1928
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:54,480
Indian Point power plants

1929
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:56,580
so you know that Dr heineck you know

1930
01:18:00,590 --> 01:17:59,580
wrote about that uh and that's in my

1931
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:00,600
town

1932
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,080
um so anyway one person saw told me

1933
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:06,239
about a tic tac she called me the other

1934
01:18:11,090 --> 01:18:08,760
day she was very concerned about the the

1935
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:11,100
balloon issue or or that we didn't know

1936
01:18:16,189 --> 01:18:13,980
what it was at the time last Sunday and

1937
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,199
uh and then everybody else I believe saw

1938
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,480
a triangle other than she saw and her

1939
01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:21,679
family saw the Tic Tac

1940
01:18:27,229 --> 01:18:25,020
nine people now I'm up to nine sorry I'm

1941
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,239
gonna add one I'm gonna add one so now

1942
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:30,239
you got ten uh a friend of uh a good

1943
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:33,600
friend of mine Dan his wife Aaron

1944
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,239
uh I won't say sorry I've said too much

1945
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:37,679
but that's okay nobody knows who they

1946
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:41,040
are um but she was she was in the Hudson

1947
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:43,140
Valley she had witness it went on for

1948
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:46,080
weeks you know and she told me about it

1949
01:18:51,890 --> 01:18:49,080
I'm like oh my God like she was like for

1950
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,900
real like this you know and she I had a

1951
01:18:57,229 --> 01:18:54,000
lot of respect for her she was uh she's

1952
01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:57,239
a fashion designer and uh brilliant and

1953
01:19:01,550 --> 01:18:58,040
um

1954
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,560
so anyway but yeah I've heard that story

1955
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:03,360
from witness's mouth it's interesting

1956
01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:06,120
the Hudson Valley that was a big deal

1957
01:19:10,850 --> 01:19:09,960
yep and I I actually had one during that

1958
01:19:14,510 --> 01:19:10,860
time

1959
01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:14,520
did you I did wow I had a sighting in uh

1960
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,860
when I was mine would have been like 82.

1961
01:19:21,050 --> 01:19:19,199
mine would have been eight yet the

1962
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,060
beginning of it and then other people

1963
01:19:25,490 --> 01:19:23,280
were closer toward the end of it but

1964
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:25,500
when they you know Dr Heineken there

1965
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,780
references calls coming into the Peak

1966
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:29,760
Skill Police Department that's you know

1967
01:19:35,930 --> 01:19:33,420
like my town so yeah it was um

1968
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:35,940
that's something I never knew until you

1969
01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:38,520
know here I'm in my 50s and talking UFOs

1970
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:40,260
with high school friends so we would

1971
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,020
never have talked about it at the time

1972
01:19:47,149 --> 01:19:45,120
that was funny I had the same experience

1973
01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:47,159
I'm like wow you got to be kidding me

1974
01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:50,219
this is coming full circle back to high

1975
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:52,980
school and even earlier than that oh my

1976
01:19:57,290 --> 01:19:55,500
God and no and you know nobody said

1977
01:19:59,930 --> 01:19:57,300
anything at the time

1978
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,940
yeah let's go with the uh cabbie

1979
01:20:04,370 --> 01:20:01,199
goodbyes unless somebody has something

1980
01:20:08,990 --> 01:20:06,770
oh I just wanted to say before I say

1981
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,000
goodbye real quick Whitley strieber's

1982
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,280
experience was on the way to Hudson

1983
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:12,960
Valley when he did his documentary about

1984
01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:14,280
it recently he was driving through

1985
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:15,900
Hudson Valley

1986
01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:18,719
interesting

1987
01:20:24,290 --> 01:20:22,380
okay let's talk to Whitley

1988
01:20:25,970 --> 01:20:24,300
that's awesome uh yeah I'll have to ask

1989
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:25,980
him which town he was in because every

1990
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:28,320
time they I know like you know I've

1991
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:29,820
heard of every town there you know what

1992
01:20:33,290 --> 01:20:31,560
I mean so

1993
01:20:34,669 --> 01:20:33,300
um but anyway you want to start us out

1994
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:34,679
Deb

1995
01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:37,860
so I I took to go back to what Nathan

1996
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:40,679
said about pieces being put in place in

1997
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:42,840
a different order of time and so on and

1998
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:46,620
so forth your film is now of Peace

1999
01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:50,520
forever that will help people forever be

2000
01:20:57,169 --> 01:20:53,640
because you made that film it is

2001
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,179
permanent and it will be treasured so

2002
01:21:02,330 --> 01:20:59,760
thank you so much for adding that and

2003
01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:02,340
bringing out more on the experience or

2004
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:04,920
side of the phenomenon

2005
01:21:13,850 --> 01:21:11,689
if that makes it worth you know

2006
01:21:16,610 --> 01:21:13,860
worth the uh time and effort and

2007
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:16,620
sacrifice that was done by not just me

2008
01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:18,780
but any other people

2009
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:21,060
well you think them too of course thank

2010
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:22,739
you to all the aerial school children

2011
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:26,400
who came out thank you very much

2012
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:29,880
yeah yeah it takes uh incredible courage

2013
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:33,060
for them to tell their story and uh

2014
01:21:37,390 --> 01:21:35,400
faith is not done with this story in my

2015
01:21:40,010 --> 01:21:37,400
opinion

2016
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,020
yeah and I look forward to hearing that

2017
01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:43,199
and uh this is a film that I hope people

2018
01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:46,860
one watch but also share uh it's

2019
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,140
incredibly compelling powerful moving

2020
01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:52,380
it's and and that that's excluding the

2021
01:21:58,610 --> 01:21:54,780
UFO aspect of it it's just a human story

2022
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,620
that is very very very impactful and uh

2023
01:22:02,270 --> 01:22:00,480
I can't thank you enough and your crew

2024
01:22:04,130 --> 01:22:02,280
and in the school and everyone to help

2025
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:04,140
make this possible

2026
01:22:06,770 --> 01:22:05,520
um so thank you Randall and we look

2027
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:06,780
forward to seeing what you'll be doing

2028
01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:08,760
in the future

2029
01:22:14,090 --> 01:22:11,340
sure I just want to say we're talking

2030
01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:14,100
with a theater chain right now it hasn't

2031
01:22:18,770 --> 01:22:16,260
been solidified or anything yet but it's

2032
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,780
very exciting because you know the whole

2033
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:21,360
point is to get this film out so the

2034
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:24,060
world sees it so you know what I mean

2035
01:22:29,450 --> 01:22:26,580
it's not just it's not about money it's

2036
01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:29,460
not about that it's about getting enough

2037
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:31,560
people to just see this so

2038
01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:37,370
um

2039
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:39,780
teaser of uh what do you call it when

2040
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:40,920
you put out a

2041
01:22:45,530 --> 01:22:43,320
H oh like a trailer uh or I'll just get

2042
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:45,540
used to the idea of like

2043
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,460
I forget what you call that socialize to

2044
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:49,199
the to the idea that there's a

2045
01:22:52,910 --> 01:22:50,820
phenomenon out there that's visiting us

2046
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:52,920
on the regular and it's Global it's not

2047
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:55,800
so I mean Jules has put this up on the

2048
01:23:01,310 --> 01:22:57,900
screen for us it's fantastic phenomenon

2049
01:23:06,590 --> 01:23:04,910
we're on Amazon iTunes we're

2050
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:06,600
moving

2051
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:09,480
and and yeah we just got to keep going

2052
01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:12,239
and you know I thought I'd be done with

2053
01:23:16,729 --> 01:23:14,820
this five years ago but

2054
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,739
the fight's not over until the fight is

2055
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:18,239
over exactly

2056
01:23:23,209 --> 01:23:20,100
thank you for not being done with it

2057
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:23,219
because uh from my standpoint what I see

2058
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:26,400
when I look at you is not somebody who

2059
01:23:33,649 --> 01:23:30,719
is in this for a money making venture to

2060
01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:33,659
build his resume to attend red carpets

2061
01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:35,580
and look cool

2062
01:23:40,610 --> 01:23:37,980
um you seem to be a guy who's affected

2063
01:23:42,649 --> 01:23:40,620
by the phenomenon

2064
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:42,659
um in one way or another and for

2065
01:23:46,970 --> 01:23:44,580
whatever reason that I don't need to

2066
01:23:49,970 --> 01:23:46,980
know what that reason is but I could

2067
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:49,980
tell that not only have the story of

2068
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:51,960
these kids touched your heart but

2069
01:23:57,290 --> 01:23:55,080
whatever experiences you had has touched

2070
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:57,300
your heart and made an imprint on it

2071
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,960
that you feel the need to do this and to

2072
01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:03,120
bring this subject and get it socialized

2073
01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:05,580
so that there is less stigma then maybe

2074
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:08,760
governments won't feel as compelled to

2075
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:10,980
be as close hold about it that okay

2076
01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:13,679
they're the same way that the Native

2077
01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:15,239
Americans look at Bigfoot you know

2078
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,100
they're like okay yeah they're out there

2079
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:19,440
they're our neighbors they're there we

2080
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,699
leave them alone they leave you know

2081
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:22,440
that kind of thing they have a you know

2082
01:24:26,689 --> 01:24:24,900
a relationship where it's not a uh

2083
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,699
something that necessarily to be afraid

2084
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:28,800
of they leave us alone we leave them

2085
01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:30,120
alone Etc

2086
01:24:35,689 --> 01:24:33,060
and so maybe that's what you can create

2087
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:35,699
as you uh proliferate your artwork

2088
01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:37,679
around the world and I pray that you

2089
01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:40,260
will get that done and and get it into

2090
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:43,380
the eyeballs and into the the minds of

2091
01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:45,780
more people there's a lot of powerful

2092
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:47,820
stories out there

2093
01:24:52,669 --> 01:24:50,219
um that I've been working on you know

2094
01:24:55,850 --> 01:24:52,679
that will be next

2095
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:55,860
um for sure because uh Ariel was one and

2096
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:58,020
I'm kind of focusing on

2097
01:25:01,550 --> 01:24:59,940
a little bit of a different story but

2098
01:25:04,510 --> 01:25:01,560
same topic

2099
01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:07,669
come back and talk about whatever uh

2100
01:25:11,810 --> 01:25:10,020
projects you're doing you know we don't

2101
01:25:14,090 --> 01:25:11,820
we don't have any money in this but we

2102
01:25:18,050 --> 01:25:14,100
just love to interact with uh

2103
01:25:20,209 --> 01:25:18,060
experiencers and list hear stories and

2104
01:25:23,570 --> 01:25:20,219
uh and just bring the topic you know

2105
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:23,580
into a discussive conversative form you

2106
01:25:27,729 --> 01:25:24,900
know that's all yeah I appreciate what

2107
01:25:30,649 --> 01:25:27,739
you guys are doing actually it's very

2108
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:30,659
I know a lot of people appreciate it

2109
01:25:34,729 --> 01:25:32,340
thank you Randall thank you for the way

2110
01:25:36,830 --> 01:25:34,739
that you treated all of us when we when

2111
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,840
we saw you in New York and we met you we

2112
01:25:49,149 --> 01:25:38,400
just couldn't wait to have you on so

2113
01:25:53,930 --> 01:25:51,410
and uh

2114
01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:53,940
yeah let's say that again I'd love I

2115
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:55,260
look forward to getting together in New

2116
01:25:58,970 --> 01:25:57,000
York again sometime and yeah it'd be

2117
01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:58,980
great spending some time would be nice

2118
01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:01,620
yeah I'm I'm gonna have to come back up

2119
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:04,199
there because you know you got meeting

2120
01:26:07,970 --> 01:26:06,600
up with the the crew afterwards it's so

2121
01:26:09,649 --> 01:26:07,980
much fun I mean that's what I'm thinking

2122
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:09,659
about okay some people are going to talk

2123
01:26:13,310 --> 01:26:11,460
about UFOs on stage but they're gonna

2124
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,320
get to hang with a bunch of people and

2125
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:15,360
that that's really what uh what I'm

2126
01:26:18,530 --> 01:26:16,800
about so

2127
01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:18,540
um so for uh Randall we'll have

2128
01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:20,820
Randall's information in the show notes

2129
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,100
give us a like give us a subscribe and

2130
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:24,719
then you can read whatever he gives us

2131
01:26:30,290 --> 01:26:26,580
to put in the show notes we'll be there

2132
01:26:32,990 --> 01:26:30,300
so for Randall for Debs for Monet Nathan

2133
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:33,000
this is DJ saying peace out

2134
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,480
one love we'll see you down the road and

2135
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:37,920
as always we're wondering what's up